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Monday, February 20, 2012
Saturday, February 11, 2012
169. Interesting article from Christmas Eve 1969
COUNTY YOUTHS WITH MANSON?
Wednesday, December 24th, 1969
LOS ANGELES, Dec. 24 – Two missing Ventura County youths are believed to have been members of the psuedo-religious cult ruled by Charles Manson who is charged with directing the murder of movie actress Sharon Tate and seven others.
Hugh Rockie Todd, 15, a Simi Valley High student who was last seen at the Spahn Ranch in the Santa Susana Mountains Oct. 5, was reported missing Dec. 5 by his mother, according to Ventura County sheriff’s records.
Steve Grogan, 18, also of Simi, is sought on a bench warrant since he fled Camarillo State Hospital several months ago, according to authorities. Grogan was reportedly with the Manson group when it moved from the Spahn Ranch to another encampment dear Lone Pine. However, when Los Angeles County sheriff’s department ordered the arrest of all members of the cult on suspicion of the multi-slayings, Grogan had disappeared.
Grogan had been committed to Camarillo State Hospital as a sex offender, authorities said.
Anne Todd, mother of Hugh Rockie Todd, told sheriff’s detectives she lived at the Fountain of the World in Box Canyon where she is a member of the robed cult founded by Krishna Venta, who was killed in an explosion 10 years ago that took the lives of nine other members.
She said her son had gone to the Spahn Ranch to work and that when she went there to pick him up Oct. 5 other members of the Manson cult told her he had left.
Mrs. Todd gave local authorities no reason for waiting two months to file a missing persons report, detectives said. She claimed that she had contacted relatives is North Carolina first to see if her son had shown up there before she came to the local sheriff’s office.
A Los Angeles television station, learning about missing youths being sought by Los Angeles authorities, sent a camera and news crew to see what they could learn. The crew claims to have located what appears to be a grave which they reported to L. A. authorities.
Young Todd, according to his another, is 5-foot-8, weighs 145 and was last seen wearing a striped knit shirt, blue jeans and tan desert boots.
168. February 2010 posting at Truth on Tate/LaBianca
The following was posted at Truth on Tate/LaBianca on February 3, 2010. (See above link)
I want to thank Cat both for her endorsement and this opportunity to critique the Krishna Venta chapter of Brag Steiger's and Warren Smith's book Satan's Assassins. In this regard, please note that my comments are in regard to pp. 115-118 only, as I am not familiar with the story of Frank Woyke.
In the 1987 film "Angel Heart," Harry Angel is a private detective hired to locate former big band crooner Johnny Favorite. In the course of the film, while hunting for the missing singer, Angel encounters several of Favorite's former friends, including blues guitarist Toots Sweet. Mistaking Angel for a journalist because of his incessant questions, the uncooperative Sweet encourages Angel to leave him alone, have a few stiff drinks, and then manufacture the details he needs according to his own whim.
As I read Steiger's and Smith's pages about Krishna Venta, that scene from "Angel Heart" came to mind since what the two men offer is the equivalent of tall tales spun in a barroom (possibly with the help of co-authors Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Johnny Walker) by someone who knows just enough about a given topic so as to offer a plethora of misinformation.
That said, folks, I have so many problems with Steiger's and Smith's Krishna Venta essay that I do not have time to address them all. Instead, in order to demonstrate just how little they know about their subject matter, I will address only a few points chosen largely at random.
* Peter Kamenoff and Ralph Muller were never known at the Fountain as "Brother Kamenoff" or "Brother Muller." Instead, they were known, respectively, as "Elzibah" and "Jeroham."
* Francis Pencovic did not get the idea to become Krishna Venta "in the 1950s, as a young theology student." By 1950, Pencovic was already 39 years old, and he was never a theology student - unless being an armchair enthusiast who studied various religions on his own counts.
* Venta's "supplicants did not have to come to him bearing gifts." That is not to say that individuals endowed with worldly possessions were not particularly encouraged to join the Fountain of the World. Nevertheless, the majority of those persons who joined the Fountain were flat broke when they did so. Consequently, the Fountain often lost money on many of their members.
* Krishna Venta was never the president of the Fountain of the World. When the Fountain was incorporated, possibly because he was enduring child support issues at the time, Venta was not listed as one of the entity's officers.
* The quotation "Some female cult members were selected by [Krishna Venta] to administer sexually to him on a regular basis what he termed "therapeutic reasons'" is ludicrous. This is not to say that Venta being sexually active with his followers is impossible. However, as best as can be determined, such activities were never ritualistic or tantric. Instead, if such was happening, it was more akin to a "quickie" squeezed into his day when no one was looking than anything else.
* The conversation between Venta, Kamenoff, and Muller which the authors assert occurred on the last night of their lives is ridiculous. For one thing, the only statements which anyone can recall being audible that night were to the effect of "You know you're not supposed to be here" and "What do you think I am? A hypocrite?" Both statements are believed to have been uttered by Cardinal Gene Shanafelt since there is a high probability that Krishna Venta was asleep during the entire incident and never even knew what hit him.
* Finally, the authors' statement that Kamenoff "flicked his cigarette lighter and touched its flame to the fuse on the bundle that Muller held in his arms" demonstrates both just how little time they spent researching their subject matter. Aside from sounding like something out of a Bugs Bunny cartoon, this is completely incorrect factually. The triggering mechanism was a blasting cap, not a fuse.
Accordingly, based upon multiple issues with the facts the authors present regarding Krishna Venta, at least pp. 115-118 of their book must be dismissed and discredited as mostly erroneous and entirely unreliable.
Thanks again to Cat for this opportunity.
In the 1987 film "Angel Heart," Harry Angel is a private detective hired to locate former big band crooner Johnny Favorite. In the course of the film, while hunting for the missing singer, Angel encounters several of Favorite's former friends, including blues guitarist Toots Sweet. Mistaking Angel for a journalist because of his incessant questions, the uncooperative Sweet encourages Angel to leave him alone, have a few stiff drinks, and then manufacture the details he needs according to his own whim.
As I read Steiger's and Smith's pages about Krishna Venta, that scene from "Angel Heart" came to mind since what the two men offer is the equivalent of tall tales spun in a barroom (possibly with the help of co-authors Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Johnny Walker) by someone who knows just enough about a given topic so as to offer a plethora of misinformation.
That said, folks, I have so many problems with Steiger's and Smith's Krishna Venta essay that I do not have time to address them all. Instead, in order to demonstrate just how little they know about their subject matter, I will address only a few points chosen largely at random.
* Peter Kamenoff and Ralph Muller were never known at the Fountain as "Brother Kamenoff" or "Brother Muller." Instead, they were known, respectively, as "Elzibah" and "Jeroham."
* Francis Pencovic did not get the idea to become Krishna Venta "in the 1950s, as a young theology student." By 1950, Pencovic was already 39 years old, and he was never a theology student - unless being an armchair enthusiast who studied various religions on his own counts.
* Venta's "supplicants did not have to come to him bearing gifts." That is not to say that individuals endowed with worldly possessions were not particularly encouraged to join the Fountain of the World. Nevertheless, the majority of those persons who joined the Fountain were flat broke when they did so. Consequently, the Fountain often lost money on many of their members.
* Krishna Venta was never the president of the Fountain of the World. When the Fountain was incorporated, possibly because he was enduring child support issues at the time, Venta was not listed as one of the entity's officers.
* The quotation "Some female cult members were selected by [Krishna Venta] to administer sexually to him on a regular basis what he termed "therapeutic reasons'" is ludicrous. This is not to say that Venta being sexually active with his followers is impossible. However, as best as can be determined, such activities were never ritualistic or tantric. Instead, if such was happening, it was more akin to a "quickie" squeezed into his day when no one was looking than anything else.
* The conversation between Venta, Kamenoff, and Muller which the authors assert occurred on the last night of their lives is ridiculous. For one thing, the only statements which anyone can recall being audible that night were to the effect of "You know you're not supposed to be here" and "What do you think I am? A hypocrite?" Both statements are believed to have been uttered by Cardinal Gene Shanafelt since there is a high probability that Krishna Venta was asleep during the entire incident and never even knew what hit him.
* Finally, the authors' statement that Kamenoff "flicked his cigarette lighter and touched its flame to the fuse on the bundle that Muller held in his arms" demonstrates both just how little time they spent researching their subject matter. Aside from sounding like something out of a Bugs Bunny cartoon, this is completely incorrect factually. The triggering mechanism was a blasting cap, not a fuse.
Accordingly, based upon multiple issues with the facts the authors present regarding Krishna Venta, at least pp. 115-118 of their book must be dismissed and discredited as mostly erroneous and entirely unreliable.
Thanks again to Cat for this opportunity.
Friday, February 10, 2012
166. Burma truck
I'm posting this link - http://dubsquad.org/forum/index.php?topic=8612.0 - because it contains some interesting photos of the Burma truck mentioned in a previous blog entry - http://krishnaventa.blogspot.com/2009/03/97-burma.html
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